( THIS IS LONG...YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE RESTROOM AND THEN GRAB A COFFEE OR TEA)


First, thanks to all that have taken the time to read this. I'm still in total shock as well as totally disgusted by the actions of Brian and Angie, former members here at CStyles and former owners of A to B Creations. I will now refer to Brian and Angie as , B & A.

I see on their forum they posted up a heap of nonsense and lies and although I know and many know it's not true, I'm sure some are wondering if any of their lies hold any water. Well they don't and too little and too late did I discover what malicious, callous and backstabbing people they are.

They joined CStyles and came in like gangbusters, very eager to befriend many, offer their aid in maintaining the site and other various things. All of this was a farce. I was warned early on about their plan of the destruction regarding CStyles...sadly I did not heed this warning. They had mentioned to several of their friends that they intended to join CStyles primarily for the purpose of ruining it. They wanted to ruin CStyles and then start their own forum in hopes I suppose of taking over CStyles present members. I can't confirm this, but knowing what I know now about those two...it would not surprise me to be truth.

One day Brian decided to pm me and tell me that he was leaving CStyles in several day's to start his own forum; he then offered me to come to his forum and join as a member. He also asked could he make a section of the forum exclusive for CStyles. That part I didn't understand as I have a forum so why would I need a section on another forum. I politely declined the section for CStyles but agreed to join, As I do with many members. I headed over to their new upcoming forum with every intention of joining only to think I had somehow clicked back over to CStyles. To my horror I then realized that I did not click CStyles by accident, I was indeed on A to B Creations and it looked almost identical to CStyles.
They had the same layout, same colors and even used the same exact template as the one I'm currently using.

I pm'd both B & A and asked them what were they doing. Brian tried to insist that his forum did not resemble CStyles whereas Angie confirmed that both sites look the same but asked me to give her some time and she would deal with Brian and make the appropiate changes. I waited for a couple of day's and still no change. I contacted Angie again via pm and told her that I was still waiting on them to change their site and she again informed me that she was working on it.

I gave it a couple more day's and checked back on their site and yes, they had changed the colors but they had now incorporated several of CStyles sections into their forum. They took some of CStyles very ideas and boldly displayed them on their forum

Again, another pm to Angie and again she blamed it all on Brian and stated that it was his site and she just did as he told her to do. By this time I had enough. I contacted forumotion and asked them what could I do to remedy this and they stated that I could take it to litigation...which I did. A & B then raced to change some things but did not entirely remove everything.

They had even resorted to asking some of our Exclusive Artist to join their forum as their 'Top Creator's'. They set up a 'sim gallery' almost identical to our 'sim index' and they set up their contest section exactly like Cstyles. Even their announcement bar where I add smiliey faces to it, they were now doing that as well. They then proceeded to set up their portal page like CStyles and incorporated a 'marquee' type of area to display their creations. They were stealing so much stuff from our site that I decided to start a blog and just vent on that, plus use it for personal things. I didn't start my blog off directly with them but I did post a thread up eventually and mentioned that I did not appreciate people stealing other peoples ideas.

Now...I DID NOT MENTION ANY NAMES and I didn't have to. Brian was on my blog shortly after I posted it and writing his comments. Now if I didn't mention your name how would you know who I was talking about. And better yet...how did you even know about the blog since it was still very new? He then proceeded to post in our chat box 'The Arena' as well as posted on Evie's forum.

It was obvious that he was following my moves and spying on me and CStyles. I learned later that they even had 'spies' to come to CStyles to see what we were up to and see if we were talking about them...which we were not. Geez...like we have better things to do than sit around and talk about them...and for what reason?
Anything that was discussed regarding them stealing from CStyles was handled appropriately and quietly between staff members.

I was even told that they had the exact same chat box that CStyles had, hid it like we do on CStyles and boldly proclaimed that they knew it was just like CStyles and did not care.

I then wrote on CStyles facebook page that I was tired of all the theivery and I did mention their names and forum on facebook. Brian finds that and decides to comment on it as well as one of his staff members and I saw where another staffer of theirs obviously was following me because she had 'liked' both of their statements to me.

The only thing I had them banned from was CStyles facebook page after they made their comments! I have no idea why they would accuse me of trying to hack into their facebook account and to be honest...I have NO idea how to do anything like that nor would I. What would be my purpose in this?

They said they checked into it to see if they could find out where the hack came from and stated in BOLD letters that it stated the ip that was trying to hack their facebook account was from Texas. They then asked where was I from and stated, Texas. I'm NOT from Texas, I'm from Tennessee so I was slandered there in a huge way.

With all this being said, why would I want to spy, hack or disturb this site that is trying to be like CStyles. I handled on my end everything professionally and with tack. I took the forum situation to the main forum site and filed the litigation. I followed up on the litigation the same way, through forumotion.

They have accused in statements to some that I have sent spies to their forum and again...why would I do that? If I want to see something on their site all I had to do was go to it. No need for the I Spy bull.

Everything I was warned about those two proved to be true...only problem...they failed to mention how horrible and evil those two are.

How dare they go about slandering my name and the names of some of CStyles members!! How dare them try to slander CStyles!! We are a quiet community and have caused no one any harm since we've be open. We've been in the community as a forum for almost 2 years problem free...until Brian and Angie.

This is a direct response to their accusations against me.

1: Yes I did accuse you of stealing CStyles style...because you were. I wasn't the only one that seen it and they even accused other sites of looking just like CStyles. They then stated that it was hard to find a different style because we are on the internet and they couldn't afford to pay for any new ideas.
WWW...world wide web and you can't find any ideas...?! And you can get templates free of charge, which I do!
I pay for a few added touches to aid in the comfort of CStyels members but have never had to pay for the decor of the forum. Also Evie is a big part of CStyles design.

2: Yes, you were trying to copy my style, this was bought to my attention by a another person and yes, I did write on Angie's blog that I was aware of what she was doing.

3: Again, I had nothing to do with their facebook account, only with CStyles facebook page which I did ban them from. NO other section of facebook regarding them was touched by me. If they were banned, they did it themselves.

4: You accuse me of trying to hack into your facebook account...which of course is false and again...you traced it back to a state that I don't even live in. I've never visited Texas nor do I have any friends or family there. So you got the wrong person. Or this is just another attack on me, to slander my name.

5: As far as MS3B, Joe and I are aquaintances and I had 'cried' on Joe's shoulder so to speak when all this mess first started going down. That is Joe's blog and I have NO control over who he decided to post or not post.

6: As for me being the 'sh*t' stirrer, You both were the problem makers and to be honest I was glad to see you gone. I don't have time to be backstabbing other members or anything even close to that when I'm trying to run a forum. I have enough real life things going on to even remotely think about causing problems on CStyles. Why would I cause trouble on my own forum...a forum that I strive to make a great place to visit and/or join? I don't have time for those foolish mind games.

7: Yes, again, I did report you to forumotion and the reason they did not shut you down was I stated in bold letters firmly that I did NOT want your forum closed, I just wanted CStyles materials and ideas removed. I had pictures of the forum before you changed it that I sent directly to the litigation board so the proof was there.

In closing, you both closed your forum and my thoughts are because you are selfish. Brian I understand was upset because he wasn't getting any downloads of his lot's and then his Sims were not being downloaded. So instead of trying to maybe focus on making your forum a better place and stop the childish behaviour...you continue to be childish and make your members suffer.

You took from people that trusted you! You took a place that you promised would be a great place to upload their creations, thoughts, pictures and ideas to. You took a place that I'm sure some of your members enjoyed due to your selfish behaviour!

I would NEVER do that here on CStyles!! If my creations were not being noticed then that would tell me that maybe I need to just improve them before I continued to upload them. But we have some truly talented people here on CStyles, some awesome creators so why would I take this away from them? We have many members who feel as CStyles is like a second home and we all feel like a nice little family, why would I disturb that? I work my ass off for CStyles and pay money into it that basically I can't afford right now due to a change in my finances, but would I take away the comforts that I've already given to our members...NO!!! I LOVE this site and have not regretted one moment starting it up! I love our members we have here and wish I had more time to just sit back and chill out with them more...we have some awesome personalities here!!

I'm in tears right now because I shouldn't even be in a position to have to defend my character nor CStyles. How dare those two try to take down others due to their failure. Brian and Angie, I know you will read this and I really don't care, you had your say, I'm now telling my say...and I'm telling the TRUTH!!

As far as you both leaving the Sim community I say, Good Riddance!! Two less trolls to deal with. You both are pure evil to speak ill of Mary and Q and others! How dare you! What gives you the right? These are good people that you are trying to slander and all for what, to make yourselves look like victims? Well the victims are all the people you mentioned on your forum. The victims are all those members that joined your forum in good faith. The victim is the Sims community for even having you both as a part of it! The victim is defintely NOT you both.

I'm sorry Cstyle Members, I don't generally post things like this but I felt I had to. We will remain a good forum and we won't let the likes of those two bring us down. I love you all and will continue to do my best to make CStyles continue to feel like home to you!!

If you haven't read the post that Brian and Angie so proudly displayed on their now defunct forum, here is the LINK

Ps: please forgive all typo's, I'm so upset about all this and have so many emotions coursing through my body right now that my hands are shaking.

Very well said Cece

Wall of text, lol

I did read it. I never knew those guys went that far. Wowsers good riddance to bad rubbish cece.

lots of love and hugs.

I knew it would upset you... I'm glad you've written it all down for all of us to read. I was a little angry... no maybe a little more than a little angry... that they came to the chatbox and posted that stuff. Sure, on your blog is fine... you can just delete that. On my blog? A little mean... but ok. I just deleted it and explained that sort of stuff doesn't happen at my blog... It's a place of refuge for all that belong there. But the chatbox here? OMG... why? That's just... ugh... I had to delete a few things from the chatbox, I'm not sure if Cece saw it when it was posted here but... yeah. I was unimpressed... that's not right. I think that more than 2 places to have posted about Cece is enough... but here? No. That's not cool.
But yeah... I was really unimpressed with their behaviour, especially when I merged with Q. They tried to tell me that she was 'bad' and couldn't be trusted. Well... who gives a crap, I don't believe them for a minute. Even if it was true (which it isn't), it wouldn't bother me. What's she gonna do? Tell everyone I suck? I just deleted a rude slab of text concerning Andrew... lol
*HUGS TO CECE* I'm so sorry this happened to you hun. I thought the whole thing was gonna be over but unfortunately people think it's ok to just publically humiliate people on the net. And OH, I'm SUCH a bitch for 'aiding' Praline as well. I didn't AID Praline, it's obvious she stole LL's crap! LOL But I don't think it's appropriate to talk about anyone on the internet in a negative way. We're all here to enjoy. If you can't enjoy then go away and leave the enjoyment to us lol
I hope this is a lesson to anyone on this forum - do not get involved in drama. I took no sides, I'm just here to support and provide help and understanding to anyone here @ C-Styles and anyone in the Sims 3 community. For me, Sims 3 is about sharing and experiencing CC together (I know that sounds a bit weird hehehe), it's not about personal crap. I get enough of that away from the screen lol

So, in conclusion... Let's forget about the people behind the mistake and just learn from what they did... and again may I say how sorry I am that this happened to Cece. It's wrong and should never have been done. Ever.

They posted here on CStyles?!!!!!! How trifling can you get?! They are vile!

cecesaun1 wrote:

They posted here on CStyles?!!!!!! How trifling can you get?! They are vile!

Yep. Brian came along and posted as an anon in the chat box. I deleted all the comments. I didn't bother blocking him though, he'd just use an IP HIDER or something lol Don't stress... I think they're done... I hope they are.

Like Mary I never took sides in this whole matter as I felt the whole "issue" was between CeCe and B&A and could be solved in good harmony, but in the end in never did.
After what B&A had done, spreading all these lies through all the community and publicly hurt and slender my friends, I now feel I have to support my friends and therefore have to choose sides. What they did is just not right and I truly hate injustice in every form and it make me feel sick to my stomach.

To CeCe, very well said and I will support you in every way I can, just like the others involved in the whole matter like Q~Girl, Broomhilda and Mary, you're my friends and you can always count on me !! *hugs*

cece,

(please excuse any mistakes I may make int his message, it takes forever for my letters to show up a fter I've typed them so I'm basically typing blindly)

I'm so sorry for what they're doing, It's like they refused to let it die, they kept stealing and nit picking at thi s problem and just didn't give up.

Cstyles is a strong community, and their absence won't even be noticed.

Just see this as their final hoo-rah and now hopefully we won't have to deal with t hem anymore.

If you need to talk you can get a hold of my fastest by sending me a message to my email (I get them through my phone) StevieFischer@Hotmail.com

Good Riddance to them, and props to you for finally coming out and letting the world knwo the truth. I know you were doing your best to keep it a private matter, but with their oh so public display of hatred, it's time everyone know the truth.

I liked them once too Stevie. They were always so sweet and fun to chat with online. But unfortunately they did something that hurt, and kept doing it even when they were asked to stop...

I do think your loyalty to your friends is admirable, but I have to disagree with your opinion on cece's p;ost here.

There are always two sides to every story, and I feel an explanation was needed from cece's side, and in this case the truth.

Cece only did what any human would do after being attacked so publicly, she explained herself and left it up to everyone to decide what they believe.

Well i have no idea who they are nor do i want too...i enjoy this forum and this is where i will stay and support the rest of my family here...

Oh dear! You have all our supprt, hun. Keep that chin up!!!*big hugs* x

Yeah, plus they posted on my blog. Like... as if I was involved with their shit lol

Thank you all for your kind words, support and encouragement. I'm having a truly bad day today but receiving such kindness and support from you all is helping to make it better. I'm so freaking emotional right now as I stated, I'm going through some real life things and then this. I have no idea the purpose of what B & A did, maybe to just upset me and others named, maybe to upset me so much that I also leave the community and shut down CStyles... Maybe to turn so many against me in the community that I have no choice but to leave. With awesome people like you...I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE!! I can't thank you all enough. (stupid tears again...I'm going to cry myself dry)

We have several members here who were also members on A to B and not one time did I hold it against them. I never spoke ill of them nor treated them any different and never would.

Again, thank you all for standing by me and CStyles and taking the time to hear the 'other side' which I wish this all could have been handled much better.

I am going to leave this post up for a couple of day's and then move it to general discussion.

I love you all!! (stupid tears again)

Evie, I will text you later this evening, thanks again for giving me a shoulder.

You know you can always email me as well, Cece And don't take Stevie and her opinions as seriously as that... you're emotional and hurt. I ain't taking sides but... you know. *Hugs* I just don't want you to say something you'll regret later.

Mary, I'm emotional and hurt... But I'm also tired of feeling like I'm having to defend my honor when I've done nothing wrong. :'(

I do not know those 2 but I did come in the middle of the drama and being who i am i was curious as to what happen... I am happy cece got her side of the story out.

if they are posting negative things all over the community it is expected that Cece come forth and defend herself as well as cstyles ...That is slanderous(?) and could cause new members to judge without explanation.

good job Cece handled like a adult

cecesaun1 wrote:

Mary, I'm emotional and hurt... But I'm also tired of feeling like I'm having to defend my honor when I've done nothing wrong. :'(

*Holds you* It's ok, Cece, don't worry... I'm just trying to look out for you, that's all. And I know you've done nothing wrong. Everything was blown out of proportion and their reaction does very little to impress anyone. Just try to take care of yourself, ok? I'm always gonna be here when I can, supporting you 100% of the way. Even when I don't completely agree with what you say or do, I'm not going to stop being there for you as a friend and a shoulder, nor will I ever stop looking out for you.

Let me just start off by saying that I figure I joined Cstlyes AFTER the drama was started. In any case, I haven't heard anything about it until I saw Brian's hate messages in the chatbox.

While its really none of my business and I have no right to really take sides, no matter what he said I know I would never believe that crap. Cece, the first few days I was here, I pm'd you incessantly and you showed me nothing but kindness and friendliness. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you would do anything mean to anyone.

I'm so sorry that you were treated so poorly and no matter what anyone else says, you had every right to let the community know your side of the story (which, I read the entirety of it). Oh, and by the way, when B&A were saying about the ip of the hacker being from Texas and that it was YOU, I actually kind of laughed. I mean, if they're going to accuse, at least make it believable, you know? Do some research or something. :/

On another note, I'm a role-player. I do online (invisionfree-hosted) rping. Its... story format? I think that's what it's called. xD ANYWAY (rambling, sorry), I see bashing and fighting and slandering a lot there, as well. One of my closest online friends fell into a deep depression once because a small group of people (who had once been her friends) followed her around and turned all her new friends against her and just made her out to be a really bad person. Its really terrible, the lengths that some people will go to to make others miserable.

In conclusion, I'm sorry you got hurt, Cece. I hope you feel better soon. <3

I'm late in this discussion.
I'll not say much, because much has been said by all.
I just like to say that I'm on your side Cece. I've always been "in top of the fence" I never spoke ill of any of the three, I was not on either side.
But now it's time to support someone, and after they putting everything on the internet for all to read, my shoulder and my hugs go all for Cece.
I have absolutely nothing against the couple, but I think they did was an unnecessary humiliation.
Surely they will read this and will not want to talk to me but, as I said, I needed to take a decision on whom to support.
What you need, I'll be here Cece

well said Julz..

I'm sorry I had to edit this thread but I won't have members argue amongst themselves... This is a place of peace and prosperity, negativity towards one another isn't for this place. I understand people wanted to have their opinion on certain aspects of this discussion, but they were putting another member's feelings on the line, and I am here to protect the well being of all members here. Please forgive me if I've upset you by editing your comments, but I'd prefer that this member be removed from the current topic of discussion. It's not about them... it's about Cece, A & B. And what A & B did wrong towards Cece and so that Cece can publicly show that she was not in the wrong. If you want to debate things with other members, take it to PM or outside C-Styles please. Un-supportive comments are not my style.

Again, sorry if I hurt anyone else with my actions. It was definitely not my intention.

Thanks Julz for all of your support. It's much needed and very much appreciated as well as from all of you. It's been a rough couple of days and I hate feeling like I'm tip toeing around facebook and even here. Something like this happens that throws you not only in the spotlight but under the bus as well and spread world wide, it's intimidating. That was pure hatred what they did and I pray that nobody else has to ever be faced with this kind of situation.
I've had my reputation questioned and my name slandered unfairly and wrongly and I'm still trying to find a way to totally deal with it and get past it.
Just to post comments here and on facebook was hard because behind the smilies I'm hurt. I felt so fake yesterday because I was walking around trying to be cheerful when I was not and am still not. How do you build back up yourself when you have been slammed down so hard.
I'm a very trusting person and I trusted some people that shouldn't have been trusted, even after I was warned. My motto has always been that I trust you until you give me a reason not to. And even then I can be very forgiving.

Acorn hun, I didn't ask Stevielee to leave, I asked her why she stayed here on CStyles. Stevielee has been mildy rude to me and done somethings that were not nice to me nor respectful. I won't mention them, but after this I just question why she continues to stay on a forum where she doesn't respect it nor me. I'm not going to throw her out of CStyles, I just question why she continues to linger. I know she has made several friends here and I respect that but I would also like to be respected also.
So I think you misunderstood my words Acorn...that's all.
I'm dealing with some heavy stuff and now I have to crawl through and see who else this has affected. I'm so upset that this all happened and even more that this has involved CStyles and our beautiful members.
I just wish I could stop crying over all this bs and move on.
It is times like this when you find out who your true friends are and not one time did I ask anyone to take sides, but my friends, my true friends have stepped forward and shown their support and for that I'm forever grateful.

I did want to add, please please please let's not turn this into a 'food fight' of sorts. There a lot of emotions going on right now and I'm not trying to upset anyone or make this hard for anyone...on the same note, if you post something don't be surprised if somebody responds...and that's cool...just don't make it ugly please. I can't deal with much more and I don't need you awesome people getting upset because it will just start to darken the site and Brian and Angie will have accomplished what they intended to and that's cause trouble and possibly get CStyles shut down.
You guys are helping me so very very much! Every comment that reminds me I have some true friends make it a little easier for me each moment.
Love to ya all!! My wittle CStyle babeh's!

Holy crap!
I must admit i was curious as to what exactly happened to them..
They were both so active on the officials.. in SM.. and I had seen on here...
wow.. thats a shame..
they both did seem very nice.

I find the drama that revolves around siming very interesting.. but I guess whenever you get that many people invested in through forums, magazine, competitions, creations... you are bound to have some drama llamas.

On a positive note.. it does appear in my view that the situation (even though I was not here for it) was handled very well, and as respectfully as possible.

Sorry it had to be so crazy drama for you cece!

Thanks bunches Mel, I'm sorry that it ended up involving so many people.

*Admin note: Mary aka Shyne mistakenly edited/erased some comments made here. She thought she was doing what was best so please don't be angry with her, she is new in her position and still learning. I admire the fact that she was just trying to keep everything proper so please don't be afraid to post your opinions and other various issues. A tiny mistake, though it can't be corrected, please don't misunderstand her actions.
Please feel free to repost whatever you originally posted if you want to.
Thanks
Cece

i like how just my comments got deleted!
sorry but i find that rude.

EDIT: just gonna pull my hair out.
it will all be ok lol

Stevielee, I will not turn this post into a war. Not only were your post deleted and edited but several members were if you check. (Mary thought she was trying to help)

How you can say I should have just let it go when my name is being slandered all over the internet, posted in peoples blogs and even here on this very site and I shouldn't be able to defend myself?

You are right, I don't see Brian and Angie as nice people, especially after the stunt but I've never ever held it against you or anyone else who was friends with them either.

Nobody is trying to hurt you nor make you cry, I think I've cried enough tears for a bunch of us, but can you imagine having your friends and family see that on facebook? My children saw it! My son was so pissed off and angry that it took me hours to calm him down. So they not only hurt me they hurt my children with their defamation of my character. Thank God they know me and know me well enough to not believe it, but still yet it was not nice. I did NOT go and post on others blogs, I did NOT go and post on facebook and several groups, I posted here on CStyles and I felt I have every right to do so. I will never stoop as low as they did. Never have and never will.

Ya know what, I think this needs to end now, they have had enough time in the sun, now let Cstyles shine once more.
Let's not bicker with each other in our cstyles family.

Let's forget about all this as it has been dealt with and move on and not give them the power any more.

Toblie wrote:

Ya know what, I think this needs to end now, they have had enough time in the sun, now let Cstyles shine once more.
Let's not bicker with each other in our cstyles family.

Let's forget about all this as it has been dealt with and move on and not give them the power any more.

God yes.

Wow! I'm really sad that I have missed all the action!! I had hundreds of knives to backstab peoples and liters of poison to spit!! Oh NOOOOOO!! Why??!?!

Anyways, after all these months of sabbatical leave I have to say something very profound and sympathetic... here it goes:
All of you involved and not involved, voyeurs and anger instigators are flawed human beings just like me. It will take you some time to recognize that but there is hope for you if you stop wasting time with little unimportant things. Pay your house loans and love your children. Teach them tolerance, respect and how to farm outside Farmville.
As for the rest, WHO CARES?!

Sergio.

guys,i just wanted to say that i am sorry for any problems i have caused.
i was just feeling ganged up on and did not know how to explain it without being rude.
i hope you can forgive me cece and mary

Oh wow. I have been gone the last few days because of school.
I have heard of this before when I was noseying about on Cstyles.
Sorry this happened to Cstyles. Hope things continue to get better here.

Hi Sergio!! So glad to see you back and with that quirky sense of humor!! Yeah...we had some drama but we are working past that now. Stevielee I accept your apology...we all have our days and Sleepy, yep...it's been a nasty week, but here's to it getting nothing but better!!

After all the mess they put me and others through and their threats of leaving the Sim community I come to find out that they did NOT leave the community but in fact have started another forum using fake names. What was the purpose of trying to destroy me and my name and bring down CStyles. Why so much drama only to open up another forum under fake names. This totally befuddles the mind. In any case, NOT my business, not my problem and as long as they leave me and CStyles and our friends and members alone I don't care what they do.
I'm done...time to move on and enjoy the site and all the awesome friends and members I have here!!! We don need no stinkin dramaz! Now...who wants icecream?!!

Neapolitan (strawberry, vanilla, chocolate) please!!

I want icecream too! :D

I have been reading along with this situation and think that it is so sad what happened to you CeCe. They could have moved on without the backstabbing and drama. I can remember getting so much needed help from Angie.... What you said was well said and you and CStyles can move on to even greater things!!

I'm sending u prayers and a truckload of Polar Bars :510:

snowee282 wrote:

I have been reading along with this situation and think that it is so sad what happened to you CeCe. They could have moved on without the backstabbing and drama. I can remember getting so much needed help from Angie.... What you said was well said and you and CStyles can move on to even greater things!!

I'm sending u prayers and a truckload of Polar Bars :510:

Snowee how sweet and what kind words! I accept all prayers for this and other things ;) and gladly accept the polar bars, although I have NO clue what they are, they sound like icecream bars and I LOVE icecream so that's fine with me!! Glad to see ya back around the site, we've missed you!